[By now it was late. The three stars were dimpling the sky. The baby raccoon was crying for its milk (I’d taken in an orphan the week before). But Jeremy and I weren’t finished yet discussing the movies we’d just watched.]
A D: You had a rather serious reaction to this one, Jeremy. Were you crying afterward?
Jeremy: Yes. Crying because I realized how much of my life I had wasted watching movies. What George Lucas did for his own franchise with the prequels, Malick did for all of cinema with The Tree of Life.
I am not sure how to explain. I began the movie with all the goodwill in the world for Malick, his project, his ambitions, his masterful appropriation of the visual culture of each period of contemporary cinema in which he has condescended to wade …
Is it always so masterful? I just saw The New World again, and while I admire the film overall (I think), its Adobe After Effects-style credits are cringe-inducing (and already so dated as so mid-2000s).
I was perhaps being a bit facetious in saying so, given the re-estimation of his entire oeuvre that has been forced upon me by Tree. Nevertheless, Malick is a chameleon while remaining an immediately recognizable stylist. You have to admit, that’s a neat trick.
Days of Heaven is a masterpiece (and one of my all-time favorite films), but it might be the case that Malick got somewhat lucky with that one. Hollywood was so inundated with craft, he was able to work with really expert crews and technicians.
Of course, Malick would probably have been the one who chose to hire Néstor Almendros and Haskell Wexler. And Ennio Morricone and Leo Kottke. And Jack Fisk.
Oh, sure, you’re right (and he was right to hire them). I guess I was trying to say something more like: “Malick wouldn’t have been able to make that film at any other time.” Days is a real collaboration, something which is often lost sight of. What we get instead is: It’s “Terrence Malick’s masterpiece, Days of Heaven.”
That’s what I was trying to get at. Whatever else it is, that movie is also “The Seventies’ masterpiece, Days of Heaven.” When we watch it we watch a textbook case of an artist marshaling the materials, technology, collaborators, and assumptions (dominants, if you will) at hand and making from them something of worth that has since been subsumed under the hoopskirt of auteurship.
But since I happen to love ’70s moviemaking, well, Days just bowls me over.
Agreed. Though Malick still deserves a lot of credit for great direction in making all of it happen, and in that particular way. (Who else would have had the film edited like that?)
Sure. Like Yog-Sothoth, Malick is the key and the guardian of the gate. But skipping ahead to this new one—or Gummo meets Thomas Aquinas, as I like to call it—
I’m not sure that’s fair to Gummo.
That said, Tree might as well have a co-director credit for the last fifteen years of film technique—an era whose filmic vocabulary, unlike that of the ’70s, I am not especially enamoured of. “A film by Terrence Malick, brought to you by the letter G, the number 3, and the cinema of late capitalism.”
Where were the G and the 3?
Where is the mirror? Where is the dust?
Let’s go back to the beginning. I remember that there was a vast darkness, and God was moving over the face of the waters. And then … the universe began?
The movie began. And its prologue, of the family’s grief, provoked an elation in me as I waited—and waited—and waited—for the film-proper to begin. Instead we returned to the start of the universe—
That’s right, it started twice! There were two universes!
—and I craned forward in my stadium seat appreciating the simple didactic chutzpah of these scenes, and their colors, and their shrieking chorales …
Malick’s competing with Werner Herzog to see who can score the more bombastic religiously musicked film.
But then, somewhere about forty-five minutes to an hour in, I began to feel a sense of physical revulsion that took me another hour to notice on a conscious, we’ll say intellectual level. By the time I reached the final five minutes and the endless end-credit crawl, I had just about managed to bring these feelings to the stage of verbalization. I realized—and it was an organic realization—that I hated this movie with a near-religious intensity.
An appropriate sort (even if I didn’t share it).
Yes, a hatred so vital and subterranean that it very nearly tunneled through into hysterical adoration. I think I might have loathed and abhorred the movie, which must surely be considered an “art film,” as I have never loathed any of the cheap compromises or outright insults that commercial filmmaking, by contrast, has before perpetrated upon my eyes and mind.
Hrm. It didn’t bother me anywhere near as much. Because I think I decided, after the first twenty minutes or so, that I simply didn’t care. I remember thinking, “This is just as big a tar baby as the latest Michael Haneke or Lars von Trier flick.”
Tar baby or straw dog? But yes, that might be the proper response. Now that the physical revulsion has faded, I find the film filed under “kitsch,” in my brain, most days.
But my expectations were perhaps lower than yours. For one thing, I rewatched The New World recently, and was expecting something more like that: a lesser Malick (though I was hoping for more).
So was he, apparently. As usual, in this culture, the real masterpiece here might be the PR campaign …
That’s Cannes for you. Von Trier must have been pissed that his Hitler comments didn’t win him the Palme d’Or.
God is already a more famous war criminal than Hitler. Shows what fifty years will do to a reputation. Next time you’ll know better, Lars.
So I wasn’t so crazy about that prologue. Part of what I enjoy about Days of Heaven is how much Malick elides from its simple, familiar story (which, as Curt [White] observed when I showed him the film, is The Wings of the Dove, in an unofficial adaptation). He skips his way through the film, filling it with stray moments and incidental shots, but the overall form is clear: it’s Linda’s impression of that time. (She’s the main character; she’s the one telling us the story.)
If Trees and Fifes had any of Days’s verbal brilliance, it would have been a better picture, even as it stands. You have to fall a fair ways from Heidegger to get to the whispered inanities of Tree.
Yeah. Sample narration from Days of Heaven:
“The sun looks ghostly when there’s a mist on a river and everything’s quiet. I never knowed it before. And you could see people on the shore, but they was far off and you couldn’t see what they were doing. They were probably … calling for help or something, or they were trying to bury somebody or something. We seen trees that the leaves are shaking and it looks like shadows of guys coming at you and stuff. We heard owls squawking away, moving away. We didn’t know where we were going, what we were going to do. I’ve never been on a boat before. That was the first time. Some sights that I saw was really spooky that it gave me goosepimples. That felt like cold hands touching the back of my neck, and and it could have been the dead coming for me or something. I remember this guy, his name was … Blackjack. He died. He only had one leg, and he died. And I think that was Blackjack making those noises.”
Sample narration from The Tree of Life:
“The only way to be happy is to love. Unless you love, your life will flash by.”
Yep. Remember, kids: “The quest of the one true sentence leads to wordlessness.”
The silly dialogue didn’t bother me that much (although I didn’t like it). Rather, what I couldn’t figure out why Malick kept crosscutting so much between the film’s different time periods. The resulting picture had no form, except a purely associative one, which I’m not sure suits Malick all that well, when there’s nothing to anchor it. Thus, I cheered up some after the first part, when the images settled down into their respective sections.
Though, within those sections, we’re still pretty much adrift. I wish I could praise Malick for bringing that sort of editing structure (or unstructure) to the multiplex, but it has less in common with experimental film, which I suspect is the intended referent, and more in common with the “no shot longer than a second save for close-ups on sad faces and effects set pieces” ethos that The Lord of the Rings called down on us.
I suspect you’re right. And I think that by jumbling it up like that, he lost a great deal.
Well, consider The New World. It’s hardly a flawless film, but one of its remarkable achievements is that, after spending so much screentime down and out in the Virginia colony, mired in the absolute muck and grime of it, that when, after two hours, the action finally carries us to England, it feels like we’ve arrived in a truly foreign world. Which we have. The cobblestones, the cathedrals, the court of King James and Queen Anne—it feels like a lunar colony. I find myself pining for the marshes, the passenger pigeons. And that’s a wonderful distancing effect: to make a 17th-century period piece feel so estranged. And not too long after Shakespeare in Love, The Queen, other Miramax Oscar-bait.
This calls to mind Samuel R. Delany’s line about science fiction being a way of reading, not writing. Which I like to apply to films like Winstanley or Culloden or Barry Lyndon. In what ways are they not science fiction? Aren’t they just as estranging? Malick’s pre-Life movies are easily co-opted by this reading. And they were better when he hadn’t “actualized the cosmic” in his work. It even appears—and I suppose I am being awful and presumptuous in so saying—that his thinking was better, in those days, as an artist, even as a philosopher, moralist, storyteller …
I agree. Thin Red Line, despite all its craned-neck shots of trees (indeed, even with them), is a much more complex film, intellectually and emotionally, than The Tree of Life.
It’s also a much more visceral film. The taking of the hill in Thin Red trumps anything in Tree, possibly everything else in Malick’s filmography, for sheer impact. And it manages to be both spatially coherent and completely impressionistic, brutal, frightening, disorienting, even grimly humorous. Meanwhile, in Tree, we get … one weightless, rubbery CGI dinosaur declining to eat another? At least there was no shaky-cam during those scenes …
I almost laughed when the dinosaurs came in …
I almost didn’t.
I don’t think that’s quite what Malick was going for (although I don’t know what he was going for!). Whereas the locusts in Days of Heaven are pretty scary.
Especially if you have a peanut allergy.
When I first heard about The Tree of Life, I spent some time wondering whether Malick would pull a similar distancing trick there as he had in New World. Certainly the man loves reusing plots and structures: for instance, the love triangle at the center of The New World is largely congruous with the one in Days of Heaven. (Henry James stole his plot from Pocahontas!)
And his tree fetish has been building since The Thin Red Line, apparently. One of Days of Heaven’s saving graces is that there weren’t many trees in the Texas panhandle. He would have filmed them if he could!
Trees or no trees, I anticipated a film in which, after spending a very long stretch in 1950s Texas, we flashed forward to Sean Penn’s character living in the present day—the shots of him running his hand under a faucet, entombed in a glass and steel urban setting made surreal by contrast with the past. Which would have been simple but powerful. But that effect did not happen. And I don’t see why he didn’t do it.
That’s a nice thought, and a nice idea for a picture, but it’s better to criticize the film the director made, rather than the film we wish he’d made.
Well, put it this way, then: cutting so much between everything turned it to mush. Well, not mush. But it erased a lot of difference he could have exploited. It turned the film brown. (It’s Malick by way of Michael Bay.)
I heard Optimus Prime was in the rough cut, but his scenes were all taken out in the final edit. That’s why his name’s in the credits and you never see him in the picture.
[Jeremy is referring to an unusual aspect of the editing of The Thin Red Line, during which Malick removed performances by Lukas Haas, Viggo Mortensen, Gary Oldman, Bill Pullman, Mickey Rourke, Martin Sheen, and Billy Bob Thornton. —A D]
Just like Michael Bay, Malick’s steadily cutting all the Transformers from his films …
Except Grimlock. And, hey, he’s looking well, after all these years. Distinguished. Spry.
Would that Grimlock had really been in The Tree of Life!
I keep saying that the directors of these so-called blockbusters ought to trade projects with each other. Malick’s Transformers would be sublime. And Bay’s Tree of Life …
…would be Pearl Harbor.
Hey, yeah. Or, “a good excuse to stay home and read Marx.”
I actually kind of like Pearl Harbor (just saw it again, in fact, on AMC). It can be enjoyed as camp.
Like Tree of Life will one day be enjoyed by our robot overlords.
Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself—I’ll claim that I’m clarifying!—Days of Heaven has so much more life in it than Tree of Life. When I think about any ten seconds of that earlier film, it’s so idiosyncratic and mysterious. So beguiling:
Whereas in Tree of Life … I feel as though I don’t have any access to it. There’s no comparable ten seconds. It’s beautiful, I suppose (in a calculating, ultra-clean, Andy Goldsworthy kind of way) but I can’t enter into it anywhere.
The images are all over-familiar. And they encourage us—as Curtis White so memorably put it in his criticism of Saving Private Ryan—to not “try to do no thinkin’!”
As I mentioned above, I rather adore all the montage in Days of Heaven—how so much of the film is elided, so little of it presented as traditional scene. (Although there is also a lot of scene.) It’s one of the things I’m always praising in that film, and one of the reasons why I encourage people to see it. And in Tree of Life, he’s taken that technique so much further. Is there even any continuity editing in the film?
There’s a little. But not much. Every little moment where there is, or a take is allowed to play out without a cut, was like a islet in the rushing river of sun-dappled vertigo and exploding frogs.
[Laughing] Did you see Andrew O’Hehir’s review of the film, at Salon?
“I get the feeling Malick is really, really sorry about that frog he sent into orbit way back when.”
That was my thought, too, right after it ended: I’ve just watched the most expensive self-therapy session in cinema history.
It’s Malick’s decision of course how to make his film, and he’s welcome to make any film he wants. But the consistent lack of scenes, the constant whirlwind of shots … When I first learned about it, heard it described as “Malick Malick’d,” I suppose I was excited (or intrigued). But, dun-brown mush, it ended up leaving me pretty cold.
It’s the clearest demonstration I’ve seen of Raúl Ruiz’s notion that every shot in a film is its own film. Malick starts pretty much from zero with almost every cut. Starts the movie from the beginning. On paper this sounds extraordinary; in practice, it’s nauseating.
And curiously disaffecting. I wish the whole thing had been weirder, like the shot of the mother in the glass coffin, a la Sleeping Beauty.
Or the shot where she floats in the air, or where the chair moves on its own—which must be references to Tarkovsky; The Mirror and Stalker, respectively.
And which is unusual for Malick. I mean, such obviousness. Unless, Pierre Menardlike, he simply managed to bring himself to the point in his life wherein he could compose those sequences spontaneously, not as references but as inventions that we are simply too cynical to take on their own terms …
I suspect you of being facetious.
But I came by it honestly.
Those references are problems, because The Tree of Life is not anywhere near as good as The Mirror. Or 2001, the other clear point of reference. Stalker makes for a more fitting comparison.
Surprising he didn’t slip a nod to Solaris in there somewhere.
He did! Big sentient ocean, giving us what it thinks we want. Cuddly dinosaurs and ethereal redheads with superpowers!
Ah. At last we have struck upon a reading of the film that makes me feel less violated.
But all film—all art—is derivative, referential. It’s just that, in Malick’s case, he’s always tended to quote himself more than anyone else.
I wish to fuck he was quoting Heidegger or Wittgenstein instead. This film, its situations and characters, its shots, are all so prechewed. They don’t reference any particular film so much as they do a whole body of cinematic cliche.
Are they cliched, though, or just typical? I know that a lot of the Texas incidences reminded me very strongly of my own childhood. A lot of life, after all, is stereotypical.
Life is whatever it is.
But, to be very simplistic about it, representations, on the other hand, can relax into familiar idylls and effects or can “e(n)strange.” I didn’t grow up in the country, and perhaps this better prepares me to call foul when I see so-called typical, archetypal experiences made reference to or manifested without the least nod toward the sublunary world all we non-Hollywood subsidized geniuses must toil in, awash all the goddamn while in the suffocating kitsch of these tacky pre-processed ideograms of childhood. It’s as though Malick has never seen an American film about childhood in the fifties before. Or a pharmaceuticals commercial utilizing such imagery to associate our “golden age” nostalgia with this or that given product (children running through those dappled fields, etc.).
Perhaps all of this could have been avoided had someone sat Malick down with a DVD of The Wonder Years? Stand by Me?
This may also sound like a silly complaint, but I don’t like any of the characters in the film. Whereas Richard Gere, Brooke Adams, Sam Shepard, Linda Manz—I really feel for the four of them.
Yes, welcome once again to contemporary Hollywood, where the dinosaurs are the stars. There’s no real performance in the film. Save the eldest kid, I suppose. Perhaps some few actual dramatic scenes were shot and then excised? The mother is an absurd cipher. ([points to sky] “That’s where God lives!” [points to lake] “This is where the fish lives!” [points to mouth] “This is where my tongue lives!”)
She is rather vapid. She’s also—the actress portraying her, I mean—20 years younger than Mr. Pitt. Oh, Hollywood.
Pitt does well with his role, which I suspect is only better developed because cruelty in Malick’s universe is necessarily verbal and physical. You can listen to and watch a man misbehave, but you can neither see nor hear goodness unless it’s manifested in an action. (It can’t be spoken of in condescending monosyllables and still hold any shape. Whereas, as has been noted ad infinitum, being ungood is simple enough to sketch in. Easy-peasy. A glower suffices.) Or, is it that all those damn shots of the sun through trees or fingers are meant to be goodness incarnate?
That’s my suspicion, too. “Ask your doctor if The Tree of Life may be right for you. Side-effects may include nausea and an aversion to cinema.”
I wish I’d brought some Bonine along, in any case. But sure, Tree has no end of strangeness to it, clearly, and I find the film utterly remarkable despite my sense that if it were a politician, it would want me in a camp or on the other side of a wall. But perhaps Tree’s greatest strangeness is that it is presenting such impeccably indigestible ambitions while any one of its depictions of so-called typical childhood, shot through with cosmic significance and the possibility of grace, could be intercut with a television commercial …
It’s a remarkable thing. It looks like no other Hollywood film in the theaters right now, or that will be released anytime soon (if ever). And I admire it, or at least the effort behind it. No one will work harder on a film this year. Mr. Malick has shot ten million miles of footage …
He genetically engineered dinosaurs just to film them!
He aged Sean Penn in a time machine!
He flew Douglas Trumbull into outer space to film the birth of creation!
He transformed Brad Pitt into a flat-topped Eisenhower Republican!
He destroyed the world just to be able to film the afterlife!
Wait, he destroyed the world? I must have missed that scene.
Come on, Tree must rank at least a 9.5 on the implied apocalypse scale. Neck and neck with L’Eclisse!
But, why did Malick do all of these things? What is Life all about?
It’s about trees, hands, and sunlight. And staring up at things. Which is what 90% of its shots consist of. I still am a little seasick.
(Oh, and whispering. It’s about lots of whispering.)
I still think, though, that it’s a must-see. It’s so unique and peculiar. (I’m going to recommend it to my brother, father, mother.)
I don’t know what’s wrong with me or with Tree that I can’t agree with you save for in the abstract sense that any monumentally peculiar work of art, be it cri de coeur or calculated construction (or calculated cri de coeur?) is worth the seeing. But I couldn’t recommend that anyone I loved see Tree, as I wouldn’t wish my own physiological discomfort with the film upon anyone whose feelings mattered to me. Though, on the other hand, any person with any interest at all in cinema might perhaps have an obligation to see it, and see it projected. And so be forced to come to some difficult conclusions about the state of the art, the value of the art, the value of value …
I’d put it like this: It’s astonishing. It’s also, honestly, pretty boring. Astonishingly boring?
Great films put something back into life, and into cinema. Life sucks it all dry.
And shoves a rocket up its, uh, tailpipe.
The defendant is sentenced to three years of rewatching Ordet every morning at ten. Court dismissed.
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Jeremy [M. Davies] is the author of the critically-acclaimed film-centric novel Rose Alley, and an editor at Dalkey Archive Press in Urbana-Champaign, Illinois.
A D [Jameson] is the author of the prose collection Amazing Adult Fantasy, the novel Giant Slugs, and a lot of film and book reviews. He lives in Chicago.
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38 thoughts on “A D & Jeremy Talk about Movies: The Tree of Life”
Thanks for writing about the film guys.
I’d like to say, I think works of art have their own terms. If we haven’t created them, then how can we say how they might have been better? It seems we can have no idea because we didn’t put in the years of work to make the work of art. Likewise, anyone complaining about the whaling chapters in Moby Dick. Of course there are comments here and there that are helpful, but do think if Ang Lee called up Malick and said, I think you should take out the dinosaurs, he would have listened? Probably no. (to me the dinosaurs funcion in a similiar vein as the apes in 2001). We can’t dictate how art behaves, in the same way we can’t (shouldn’t, some try) dicate how a boyfriend or girlfriend, husband or wife behaves.
I don’t know if it is a masterpiece, but The Tree of Life is something to see. The images have stayed with four weeks after seeing it.
Also, I didn’t read anything about how the crux of the movie is the relationship between the father and the son, or anything about the kids – there are three brothers. It seems a main component in the film. Whereas Spielberg’s kids are mostly surface, cutsey, cardboard creations – Malick actually tracks how hatred grows inside a child, how it grows out of expriencing the divided world and a father who takes out his own disappointments on his children.
I agree, Greg, that he does “track” that thing, or something like that thing—but he tracks it in an entirely cliched fashion. My main complaint is that, as spectacular as the film is, it didn’t give me anything. It didn’t surprise me or enlighten me in any way whatsoever. It bored me, rather, with its familiarity. I’ve never seen so much cliche on display from Malick before.
I just saw an 80s movie two nights ago: Teen Witch. And it’s a miserably bad movie. Badly written, badly directed, badly shot, badly acted, badly edited. The best thing you can say about it is that the late, great Zelda Rubenstein is in it, but even she’s mediocre, at best. Because the whole thing, from the second it starts, is just a compendium of cliches. My girlfriend and I sat there predicting each scene to one another—even each next line to one another. Which was the only way we could enjoy the thing. (We were at a party where the hosts were screening it, mainly for its camp value.)
Well, The Tree of Life was much the same thing for me as Teen Witch. That might sound sacrilegious, and of course Malick’s film is well made, within certain limits. I mean, the shots are all very pretty, in a way, and it’s apparent that everyone on hand is trying very hard. But to what effect? The whole thing is, in its own art house way, just a giant ball of trite cliches.
A friend asked me yesterday what I thought of the film, and I said that I think it’s unfinished—that Malick didn’t find a way to really master the material, to subsume it to an artistic form. Maybe he did in his own mind, but he didn’t do it in a way that I can perceive it. It’s just a collection of shots, to me, some of them striking, some of them groan-inducing (the mother with the butterfly on her hand), but all of them as a whole not going anywhere. Other than a sinking feeling that Malick has nothing to say, and (what’s worse) that he’s not saying it in any particularly interesting way. Be ineloquent interestingly!
That necessarily leaves me wondering how the film could have been better (better for me, of course I mean). And retreating to his earlier, better movies.
Oh, I should add my reading of the film. Sean Penn plays the son who dies, not one of the ones who lives. It’s the only interesting reading I can come up with. So then he’s in an afterlife (which is the modern urban setting), and then at the end, for some reason, he’s reunited with his family. I think it’s because he comes to peace with them? Which is why he’s still old, but they’re all still young.
Also that place, the beach, is not the afterlife, but rather the way the world looks by then—people become immortal and live on beaches. … I know, I know, this is obviously a fanciful “misreading” of the film, but it’s the only way I can make it interesting for myself. Not that I think criticism can redeem this one.
Also, putting dinosaurs in ones films because Kubrick put ape-things in 2001 is lazy filmmaking. Not that I agree that’s why Malick did it. But that reading diminishes the film further.
Interesting reading. The beginning and end are not clear and can be intepreted many different ways. I didn’t say he put them there “because,” I said they function as the apes did. Another speices “behaving” a certain way that may give humans a clue as to why they act the way they do.
Why I think Malick gets flack is – he is a celebrator with this film and the “dominant” is still a nihilistic sensibility among more “art” films, whereas Hollywood does not understand that people are more mysterious than they give them credit to be, more “good and evil,”
which makes them more stink of more sentimentality. The father bordered on sentimentality, but, for me, Malick pulled back at right moment and did things I did not expect, hence – not cliched. The mother is less developed but that is the film. I didn’t feel I wanted more, I felt I had enough.
I don’t think Tree benefits from any comparison with 2001…
I don’t mind the celebratory nature of Tree. The celebratory nature of the ending of The New World was one of that film’s more powerful aspects. It was also one of its more perverse, since it coincided with the occasion of Pocohantas’s death:
And, c’mon, “family conflict -> reconciliation” is hardly a foreign theme in Hollywood. Tree‘s montage is unconventional, but its story’s as old as The Wizard of Oz (the first example that popped into my head).
I liked the plot turn regarding the father—his comeuppance. It’s one of the things I liked best in the film.
Thanks aplenty, regurgitated your highly-entertaining discourse here: http://goo.gl/FF1MH You have basically verbalized what I felt about this no-hope heap of cinematographic vomit ever since I dragged a visiting friend from the boondocks to an inner-city multiplex, to show him an artsy movie… little did I imagine how artsy-fartsy it would turn out to be! Had I been there alone, I’d have walked out halfway through the 45min “overture.” And, yes, in my saloon people did laugh audibly on first dinosaur sighting in a forest (and at a mere duck-bill dino!). Only later did I realize HOW MASTERFUL A LONG CON it was—a New Age-sermon masquerading as cinema, and the first movie I ever heard of that some theaters felt the NEED to warn viewers that THERE WON’T BE ANY REFUNDS.
Anyway, the times when Malick et al could do damage to our minds and pockets with no consequences are long gone. See part I & II of my Storified account of the public Twitter sentiment vs. “Tree of Life”: http://goo.gl/FttsR and http://goo.gl/DtUn1 – very much like, though of course not as verbose and erudite, as your own.
ADMINISTRIVIA: since the twitter-search-results url [goo.gl/FF1MH] posted above will soon cease to function, I wrapped the same 18-tweetextract of your discourse in a permalinkable storified tale named “Tree of Life Quotes Quarry” http://goo.gl/UB6ar
Thanks again! Adam
I believe that the people who disliked Tree are mostly upset that there was no story. People want a story, not just in their films, but most certainly to their lives. Without a story, our lives are nothing. The greatest lives are the ones that make the best story. Tree was only about the memories of the Sean Penn character. Memories are random and make no sense. They might have happened sequentially when we lived them, but not when we remember them. The effect our present in random ways. Added to the memory of his actual childhood is his memory of what he learned in history class about the history of the earth. Those who want desperately to have a life that makes sense make a story about it. Most film making encourages this adaptive pattern. In reality, our lives have no more meaning than that random dinosaur’s. Sean Penn’s character was clearly living a typical meaningless life, as we all do.
Wait! :D this is great! So, you dont like Ordet? And you talk about films. This is laughable..
We both adore Ordet. What gives you the impression otherwise?
That said, I prefer Gertrud to Ordet. But Dreyer never made a bad film (at least, not that I’ve seen).
Thank you for your replies. I agree, i would go even further and say he made only master-pieces(I refer to full-lenght pictures). One of a kind filmmaker and unique films. In my opinion no one comes even close, Malick wouldn benefit much from watching it, because he is kind of – improvising in work process, on thin red line they dragged him to the editing room, he dosent plan much etc.. and Dreyer was perfectionist.
Because in this sentence it sounds like it is a punishment to watch Ordet. “The defendant is sentenced to three years of rewatching Ordet every morning at ten. Court dismissed.”
Interesting, some people that love Tarkovsky think that Stalker is his best, you think not, but rather Mirror is. Would you put yours top 20 list or smth., just to see your taste..
I think Jeremy meant rather that Malick would benefit from revisiting Ordet, a (much) superior film. We believe not in punishment but in rehabilitation.
As for Tarkovsky, I myself think Stalker is one of his weakest films, mainly due to how reductive it is. But that’s an opinion that I formed about five years ago, upon seeing it a few times in a row (after not having seen it in many years). I might change my mind were I to revisit it now. It is, of course, an extremely beautiful film, if nothing else, and ultimately very moving.
Jeremy adores The Mirror. I like it, too, although not perhaps as much as he does (mainly because he likes it just that much). I think Nostalghia‘s his best—or at least it’s my favorite; I haven’t met anyone else who agrees with me there.
So, for me, it’s something like:
Solaryis / Andrei Rublev (tie)
The Steamroller and the Violin
btw., it was very good read, althought you write mostly about negative aspects of film.. What do you think of The thin red line?
I think Thin Red Line is great! I know J likes it, too. I might like it more than he does. I also think I like Malick more, in general, than he does. Maybe.
This installment was pretty negative, but Jeremy hated, hated, hated Tree of Life; he left the theater on the verge of physical illness. I myself was left pretty indifferent to it (and I still feel that way). In other installments we’re more positive; I hope you’ll check them out.
We do try to be charming, though, regardless of how we feel about the film.
Thanks for your comments! Jeremy and I do intend to talk about more movies in the future. We’ve nearly finished a discussion about Super 8, and we very much want to discuss Godard’s most recent film, Film Socialisme.
Thin Red line is my favorite from Malick, he managed to put everything in order in that one – great cinematography, great pshilosofical message presented through voice overs of realistic characters and juxtaposition of war and nature was magnificient.. I will look out other reviews from you two..
For me the Ivans childhood is the weakest and I didnt watch Nostalgia, so I will soon..
It took me a while to learn to appreciate Ivan’s Childhood, but now I regard it much more highly. Seeing it projected helped.
Nostalghia was the first Tarkovsky film I saw, which no doubt has contributed at least somewhat to it being my favorite.