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		<title>By: A Guide to My Writing Here at Big Other &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-15949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Guide to My Writing Here at Big Other &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Innovation in Art — what is it? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Why I Hate the Avant-Garde &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-12785</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I Hate the Avant-Garde &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] post on the term &#8220;avant-garde&#8221;—I&#8217;ve already discussed this somewhat here, here and here, but to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post on the term &#8220;avant-garde&#8221;—I&#8217;ve already discussed this somewhat here, here and here, but to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seventeen Ways of Criticizing Inception (aka, All Knowledge Isn&#8217;t Equal) &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seventeen Ways of Criticizing Inception (aka, All Knowledge Isn&#8217;t Equal) &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 01:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Innovation in Art: 2,015 views [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Seventeen Ways of Criticizing Inception &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-10001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seventeen Ways of Criticizing Inception &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] same kind of backward reading, singling out allusions and steals and bits of direct inspiration. Because that is how art works; people don&#8217;t work in vacuums, inventing things out of whole cloth, but make things that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] same kind of backward reading, singling out allusions and steals and bits of direct inspiration. Because that is how art works; people don&#8217;t work in vacuums, inventing things out of whole cloth, but make things that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Is Experimental Art? &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-6484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Is Experimental Art? &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I&#8217;ve argued here and here—and hopefully have been able to demonstrate in both those places and elsewhere—one [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Innovation&#8217;s Altar &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-5778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Innovation&#8217;s Altar &#171; BIG OTHER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by Malachi Black and this post by Ron Silliman (which were both partially responding to something I wrote regarding innovation): I find that one of the sticking points on this subject is that &#8220;innovation&#8221; is often [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Malachi Black and this post by Ron Silliman (which were both partially responding to something I wrote regarding innovation): I find that one of the sticking points on this subject is that &#8220;innovation&#8221; is often [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tiny Shocks Revisited &#171; BIG OTHER</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-5693</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] or defamiliarization). Again, see my original post for more on this; see also here, here, and here. Wood reduces this very powerful concept to personification, which I find extremely wrong-headed. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or defamiliarization). Again, see my original post for more on this; see also here, here, and here. Wood reduces this very powerful concept to personification, which I find extremely wrong-headed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Barker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam:

This is very bracing stuff.

I can&#039;t write much now, but I wanted to echo your thoughts about finding an point of entry into art, whether that art is music or film or literature. It&#039;s something I think about all the time as I make films. As I learn just how films get made (so much of it is just about taking care of people so they&#039;re comfortable enough to apply a very specific set of skills), I see more clearly why so many  screenplays hew to the &quot;formula,&quot; and why so many of my favorite films use genre as a point of departure (starting with one set of expectations and negotiating a new set).

Anyway, I&#039;ll write more soon. Again, this is excellent: your page is now officially required reading, right there with Ebert&#039;s journal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam:</p>
<p>This is very bracing stuff.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t write much now, but I wanted to echo your thoughts about finding an point of entry into art, whether that art is music or film or literature. It&#8217;s something I think about all the time as I make films. As I learn just how films get made (so much of it is just about taking care of people so they&#8217;re comfortable enough to apply a very specific set of skills), I see more clearly why so many  screenplays hew to the &#8220;formula,&#8221; and why so many of my favorite films use genre as a point of departure (starting with one set of expectations and negotiating a new set).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll write more soon. Again, this is excellent: your page is now officially required reading, right there with Ebert&#8217;s journal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Stephenson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Stephenson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morton Feldman never hesitated to say that Cage was unsuccessful at removing himself from his work (and he would know).  But Cage did try to remove aspects of personal taste in much of his music and had varying degrees of success.  

I find that inconsistency is one of the most refreshing qualities of an artist and of human beings in general, but, of course, I can be completely infuriated by this very thing at times.  HOW one is inconsistent is definitely worth consideration.  Cage&#039;s inconsistency certainly seems to have a very consistent underlying focus.  One could say that he used extreme rigor (chance operations) to create situations where what is usually ignored is emphasized.  I think Sondheim does something similar using the computer.  Often the writing feels uninhabited, but then, when you least expect it...

Like you, my interests change over time, but I do return to things and re-contextualize them.  In fact, when are we ever as artists NOT doing just that?  (Can&#039;t step in the same river twice?)

So I look forward to your silliness, Adam.  Cage did say he preferred laughter to tears.  

I&#039;m suddenly getting a hankering to watch &quot;Female Trouble.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morton Feldman never hesitated to say that Cage was unsuccessful at removing himself from his work (and he would know).  But Cage did try to remove aspects of personal taste in much of his music and had varying degrees of success.  </p>
<p>I find that inconsistency is one of the most refreshing qualities of an artist and of human beings in general, but, of course, I can be completely infuriated by this very thing at times.  HOW one is inconsistent is definitely worth consideration.  Cage&#8217;s inconsistency certainly seems to have a very consistent underlying focus.  One could say that he used extreme rigor (chance operations) to create situations where what is usually ignored is emphasized.  I think Sondheim does something similar using the computer.  Often the writing feels uninhabited, but then, when you least expect it&#8230;</p>
<p>Like you, my interests change over time, but I do return to things and re-contextualize them.  In fact, when are we ever as artists NOT doing just that?  (Can&#8217;t step in the same river twice?)</p>
<p>So I look forward to your silliness, Adam.  Cage did say he preferred laughter to tears.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m suddenly getting a hankering to watch &#8220;Female Trouble.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A D Jameson</title>
		<link>http://bigother.com/2010/02/13/innovation-in-art/#comment-5497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A D Jameson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Rob. I&#039;ll actually be writing more about Cage soon, and I&#039;ll be curious to hear what you think of my (admittedly) silly ideas regarding the man. I think there&#039;s a great deal to be said about his work, and his influence.

I&#039;m not sure I agree that he tried &quot;removing as much of himself from the work as he could,&quot; though. Cage was well-known to exert a lot of control over his works.... One of the many fascinating contradictions in his art. (As he himself said: &quot;You won&#039;t find me consistent.&quot;)

&quot;The other thing that’s interesting about Cage is that from what I can tell, a lot of people who idolize him are unfamiliar with much of his actual music, have listened to an extremely small amount of it, and can’t stomach most of the post-1960 compositions for very long when they do listen.&quot;

This is true in my experience. I find that a lot of people approach him more conceptually than anything. (Which is, to be fair, the risk his more conceptual work takes.) Personally, I find my fondness for it comes and goes, as with anything else. On some days I adore it; other days I want to listen to anything but. But 4&#039;33&quot; is astonishing and a revelation and I perform it as often as I can...and still not often enough...

And I&#039;m glad you like my poem. (I hate it!)

As for Alan Sondheim&#039;s work, I&#039;ve heard of it, and him, but haven&#039;t experienced any of it. I have to confess that I have a personal bias against heavily computer-based work. This is my own failing and COMPLETELY unfair of me, of course!

Many decades ago, in the late 1990s, when I worked as a technical writer at Lucent, I was more interested in those kinds of things, and even dabbled in them myself. But ever since then, I&#039;ve let my hair grow long, and become a shepherd (a cat-herd, actually), and now I mostly sit under trees strumming a lute and reciting Odes.

Again, it&#039;s totally unfair of me, but my brain chemistry has changed such that now when I hear the words &quot;hypertext&quot; and &quot;code&quot; and &quot;computer-generated,&quot; I reach for my running shoes. But I have nothing whatsoever against anyone working in those areas, and who knows—perhaps someday I&#039;ll regain my interest for them.

(I swore I would never get involved in blogs and yet I seem to be doing that.)

I envy you your trip to Shanghai! Translation is often so revealing... I was supposed to go to China once but I couldn&#039;t find a boat slow enough...

Many cheers,
Adam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rob. I&#8217;ll actually be writing more about Cage soon, and I&#8217;ll be curious to hear what you think of my (admittedly) silly ideas regarding the man. I think there&#8217;s a great deal to be said about his work, and his influence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree that he tried &#8220;removing as much of himself from the work as he could,&#8221; though. Cage was well-known to exert a lot of control over his works&#8230;. One of the many fascinating contradictions in his art. (As he himself said: &#8220;You won&#8217;t find me consistent.&#8221;)</p>
<p>&#8220;The other thing that’s interesting about Cage is that from what I can tell, a lot of people who idolize him are unfamiliar with much of his actual music, have listened to an extremely small amount of it, and can’t stomach most of the post-1960 compositions for very long when they do listen.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true in my experience. I find that a lot of people approach him more conceptually than anything. (Which is, to be fair, the risk his more conceptual work takes.) Personally, I find my fondness for it comes and goes, as with anything else. On some days I adore it; other days I want to listen to anything but. But 4&#8217;33&#8243; is astonishing and a revelation and I perform it as often as I can&#8230;and still not often enough&#8230;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m glad you like my poem. (I hate it!)</p>
<p>As for Alan Sondheim&#8217;s work, I&#8217;ve heard of it, and him, but haven&#8217;t experienced any of it. I have to confess that I have a personal bias against heavily computer-based work. This is my own failing and COMPLETELY unfair of me, of course!</p>
<p>Many decades ago, in the late 1990s, when I worked as a technical writer at Lucent, I was more interested in those kinds of things, and even dabbled in them myself. But ever since then, I&#8217;ve let my hair grow long, and become a shepherd (a cat-herd, actually), and now I mostly sit under trees strumming a lute and reciting Odes.</p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s totally unfair of me, but my brain chemistry has changed such that now when I hear the words &#8220;hypertext&#8221; and &#8220;code&#8221; and &#8220;computer-generated,&#8221; I reach for my running shoes. But I have nothing whatsoever against anyone working in those areas, and who knows—perhaps someday I&#8217;ll regain my interest for them.</p>
<p>(I swore I would never get involved in blogs and yet I seem to be doing that.)</p>
<p>I envy you your trip to Shanghai! Translation is often so revealing&#8230; I was supposed to go to China once but I couldn&#8217;t find a boat slow enough&#8230;</p>
<p>Many cheers,<br />
Adam</p>
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