Comments on: Form & Structure

By: Ryan W. Bradley

Ryan W. Bradley — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:41:04 +0000

hahaha. i should’ve kept my mouth shut shouldn’t i have? that’s what i get for posting when grumpy.

By: Michael Leong

Michael Leong — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:52:56 +0000

I also always think about form and the structure of the book as I write, John–

I feel like this is an important part of process, no, Ryan?

By: Michael Leong

Michael Leong — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:49:41 +0000

Yeah, good comment, Ryan about extremes…I’m looking at what’s on my desk right now and I love the elegant black and white minimalism of the cover of Andrew Joron’s _The Sound Mirror_ (Flood Editions).

By: John Dermot Woods

John Dermot Woods — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:21:46 +0000

I don’t know if it’s something I drag over from m ycomics background, but I’m always considering form as I write, thinking in terms of the book. And I do also think that there’s something to be said about the influence of indie presses on the book as object. It is often the result of a particular DIY approach to bookmaking. And there’s less of a specific concern with profit margins and the standards that make mass production economical.

By: Ryan W. Bradley

Ryan W. Bradley — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:22:17 +0000

i think a book should echo what’s inside, that the art of it should enhance the content. this is how i’ve always felt about album art, and one of the reasons i’ll never stop buying cd’s in favor of digital files. i think the design of a book should be no different. it doesn’t always have to go to extremes, or even to experimental lengths, but the layout, the font choices, the cover art, should all work together to present the writing as best they can.

By: Michael Leong

Michael Leong — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:25:40 +0000

This seems like a cliché now in New Media and History of the Book studies but materiality definitely matters.

Great point about the historical avant-garde– I’m thinking about Mallarmé’s _Un coup de dés_ among others.

And speaking of “non-indie presses,” I think Stephanie Strickland’s _V: WaveSon.nets / Losing Luna_ (Penguin) is one of the most interesting intermedial works that I’ve seen. You can start the book from either cover and the two sections meet in the middle (within the book’s “v”) where there is a URL, and the book continues online:

http://vniverse.com/

So, sure, digital otherness.

By: jatyler

jatyler — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:15:13 +0000

this: “it has less to do with “indie presses” than it has more to do with a larger awareness of the historical avant garde & the realization that being playful exclusively with language is ignoring everything the printed word is possible of.” YES – very well put.

& the chapbook presses too, so many are letter-pressing and redefining the structure, the look, the function of the printing just as much as the form of the language.

By: mike

mike — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:16:40 +0000

Though I know for some reason it's generally "not accepted as good," or something, I think Danielewski's House of Leaves is basically a catalogue of form-echoing-function, and by that of course I mean it offers countless examples of structures adding to the narrative (favorites: labyrinthine footnotes [possibly done before?], pointless lists within endnotes to echo of the finitude of the author/characters/readers, etc). Sollers's Lois (I think it's that one, maybe it's H... it's one of the titles that haven't been translated yet) uses Chinese numerology (or something) to structure the layout. Queneau's Hundred million million poems is also entirely dependent upon structure for content, as are a countless number of artists' books. I think it has less to do with "indie presses" than it has more to do with a larger awareness of the historical avant garde & the realization that being playful exclusively with language is ignoring everything the printed word is possible of. I mean, looking at Richard Kostelanetz's Breakthrough Fictionteers anthology has more examples of creative layouts packed into a single book than I've seen throughout publishing/lit in the last two decades (not that I've seen everything, of course).